The Higher Man: Steven Ogg Discusses Snowpiercer Season 2’s Wild Journey


TNT’s Snowpiercer Season 2 has been all types of loopy, creepy, and cryptic.


From Wilford’s return to the unknown goings-on aboard Large Alice to the real chance that the Earth is warming once more, it has been a rollercoaster full of reversals, sudden drops, and harmful turns.


This was additionally a season disrupted in actual life by the COVID-19 pandemic when a lockdown order shut down manufacturing with lower than ten days left to shoot, as showrunner Graeme Manson knowledgeable us again in July 2020.


However by way of all the pieces that has occurred earlier than and since, an abiding presence has been the Tailie-made-good, Pike, performed to opportunistic perfection by Canadian-by-birth, Los Angeleno-by-choice, Steven Ogg.


Ogg just lately made the journey up from Los Angeles by automotive together with his canine and was instantly confronted with a fourteen-day quarantine earlier than he may get right down to work.


So how horrible was the quarantine?


“I do not need to depart quarantine,” he tells TV Fanatic over the telephone. “It’s actually my completely satisfied place. I am proper on the ocean, so I’ve bought my very own yard…


“Some persons are clearly caught in residences, however as a result of I’ve bought a canine that I got here up with, I can not be paying somebody 3 times a day, so I bought this place, and it is simply heaven.


“I imply, actually, I see sea lions and otters. I nonetheless have not seen a whale, however I simply went and did my ocean dip this morning. I do not need to depart. I do not need to go to Vancouver. I simply need to be right here.”



Vancouver has had some stunning climate just lately, however chilly by West Coast requirements. It is not one thing Ogg is down with anymore, though the view from the place he sits is continually pleasant.


“Effectively, it is humorous, ‘trigger folks say that like, ‘Oh! You are Canadian! You’re keen on the chilly,’ and I am like, “hmm..” You do not select who you come out of or the place you come out of.


“That is why I moved to LA. I like the solar. I do miss.. oooo! Hummingbird! See? There is a hummingbird. A hummingbird exterior my window. In LA, I used to have them, and I did not understand there are such a lot of right here.”


The very considered hummingbirds feels just like the antithesis of Snowpiercer’s actuality, a future the place the world has entered an ice age as a result of a miscalculation by scientists hoping to reverse local weather change.


Season 2 has launched the concept that the Earth has begun to heat once more — before anticipated — which fires up the residents of the prepare(s) with hope for the long run.



On Snowpiercer Season 2 Episode 1, Pike, as at all times, is open to the chances of a greater life, which leads him to grow to be the top trafficker of Large Alice items, buying and selling Snowpiercer’s contemporary produce for Large Alice’s weed, which then will get became one other bartered forex.


Nevertheless, when he’s known as on to “cope with” Terence, the top of the Janitors’ guild on Snowpiercer Season 2 Episode 5, it is a horrible inner battle for a person who had left that enterprise behind him.


When requested if Pike will come again from killing Terence, Ogg was considerate about why it needed to occur to Pike.


“That is what I beloved about that entire factor, a person who’s dragged again right into a world he actually does not need to go to.


“I imply, good drama is battle. So man versus man, man versus nature, man versus himself.


“So now, I believe it is a actually huge battle of what do I do, and therefore the cleanse. You recognize, form of this shaving of all the pieces to, hopefully, depart all of it there, shifting ahead with sort of a clear look. Like, okay, I’ve accomplished this, however I am leaving that behind. I did it; I needed to.


“It needed to do with owing somebody. I’ve paid my debt, shifting ahead, clear. So by carrying that with him, that was form of the entire thought of the shaving, like, ‘I am leaving this behind, I need to be higher.’


“So even simply when he seems to be at himself, he is somebody new. You recognize, the Apocalypse Now factor. You are simply wanting within the mirror, going, ‘I’ve modified, I can do that.’ He was form of compelled into it.”


Pike’s cleanse is an intense and dramatic response to his return to his killer persona. As he does all of it himself, I needed to ask what that was like.


“Effectively, I’ve to say, you understand how a lot that is not an actor’s medium. It was one take. We arrange 4 cameras, and that was, like, twenty minutes. You recognize, I virtually want I may get the whole scene of that as a result of it was a heck of lots of work.


“And as an actor — I am not methodology, you already know — I do not need to be all self-indulgent with issues, however lots of work went into that, and lots of literal blood, sweat, and tears. We had prep, prepared, go, sat there with a shaver, and tears, sweat, snot, and blood.


“Principally, I hadn’t shaved in months; my head was lower. I used to be slicing my head, so blood was coming down my face. Tears, the snot… typically make-up would come to take away my snot coming down. No, no, no, that is gold, that is golden snot! (laughs)


“You at all times understand once more that it is not an actor’s medium, proper? It will get lower down to at least one second and a shot within the mirror, and it is like, what? What occurred? What occurred to my twenty minutes?


“I believe, legit, it was nonetheless there, the influence, they usually actually needed extra. Once more, it is not known as Pikepiercer; it is known as Snowpiercer. Similar to all the massive exhibits, there are such a lot of characters and so many storylines and a lot to inform inside that quick period of time.


“I actually hope they nonetheless bought throughout the depth of that and the emotion of somebody actually combating their deeds. I imply, it is an enormous factor. So long as it got here throughout, it does not matter whether or not it was ten minutes or ten seconds. So long as the viewers is getting that influence of, ‘Oh my god, it is a man in ache.'”


When Layton directs Pike on this mission, we get a brand new reveal into their historical past collectively. Pike reminds Layton that he saved Pike within the Tail, vouching for him when he would’ve been hanged for cannibalism.


Layton and Pike’s dynamic from the very starting of the sequence has been considered one of rivalry tinged with respect.


Ogg has thought so much about Pike’s actions, and it hinges on the bitter actuality of Snowpiercer’s crowded but remoted atmosphere.


“I’ve learn so much [about] isolation and what it does. You may have non secular awakenings. You may go from Victor Frankle’s Which means of Life to a monk residing on a hill to somebody serving a life sentence in solitary confinement.


“All of those instances of isolation, what it does to the thoughts, to what it does to the psyche, and the spirit. That is the place something unpredictable about Pike [comes from]; anybody at that time may do something since you’ve been collectively for seven years.


“And so you already know, if somebody — as a result of I am crass — if somebody farts, you most likely know ‘Oh, it is Tuesday as a result of I do know that odor.’ Each Tuesday. You recognize all the pieces about each other.


“It is like Layton and Pike, however everybody, they have been in jail for seven years. You are going to have ups and downs, and loves and hates, and laughter and tears, close to demise, and folks dying. It is wave after wave of layers. Which is enjoyable as a result of you are able to do something and go wherever, you already know?


On Snowpiercer Season 1 Episode 10, Pike protests when Layton rouses him from his newly-acquired First Class digs to face the brand new risk of a second prepare actually biting them within the caboose.

Layton: I want everyone united collectively in opposition to a typical enemy.
Pike: Layton, why do you gotta at all times ask me to be a greater man?


When Layton determined to ship Pike to kill Terence, the “higher man” definition has shifted, and Layton not actually holds the ethical excessive floor.


“Effectively, I believe that is what’s attention-grabbing, proper? Yeah, who does, and who is correct of their ethical excessive floor? It is like in life, proper? It is perspective. The way you see it someday does not essentially make it proper the following. It relies upon the place you are coming from.


“Clearly, I believe some persons are simply extra egocentric inherently, however does that make them unhealthy, or does that make them a survivor?


“What’s the finish game, proper? Pike could possibly be fully egocentric in his survival and going backwards and forwards together with his alliances. However we do not know his grasp plan. Possibly he is pondering, ‘If I get this and this, then I can deliver this individual along with this individual, and it turns into higher, and extra possibilities of all of us to outlive.’


“You’re taking bits and items and slices. It does not at all times make the entire. What the entire is consists of so many layers that we do not at all times get to see. So the ethical excessive floor could possibly be justified someday after which not be so applicable the following. 


So, does Ogg assume Pike has a grasp plan?


“Actually, the concept [is] to outlive, proper? For those who’ve gone this far, and also you’re persevering with to do stuff, the last word aim is to outlive.”


It has been famous by viewers that there is been an evolution within the sequence between Snowpiercer Season 1 and a pair of. Ogg describes his sense of it with a really sensory comparability.


“Season 2 positively bought extra intense. I believe I’ve stated that Season 2 jogs my memory of Johnny Money together with his guitar creat[ing] that sound of a prepare, dun du du dun, du du dun…


“So, I see Season 1 as the start of that tune… dun du du dun... In season 2, we bought Trent Reznor and Atticus pulling slightly one thing onto the soundtrack.


“We velocity it up a notch. It turns into slightly extra intense, slightly extra driving. That is how I see Season 1 to Season 2. The prepare actually and figuratively will get sooner, extra intense, extra claustrophobic, extra issues taking place. Which is what I like as a result of the journey turns into extra attention-grabbing.”


One factor that has remained constant all through the seasons is the ensemble forged’s power and the way they’ll assist one another by way of complicated and nuanced scenes.


“Oh yeah. Everybody does – you need to give it your all. As a result of once more, there are such a lot of characters. It is robust. You do not at all times get what you need. You do not at all times get as a lot time as you need, however it doesn’t suggest you do not give it your all as a result of it solely provides to the stress.


“I at all times admire extras and people who find themselves standing round watching the scene and listening to the scene. There’s an important actor! It does not matter in the event you’re an additional or primary on the decision sheet. For those who’re listening and reacting, that is what the forged does. Simply hear and react. That is Appearing 101.


“Individuals are simply watching and listening. What is going on on? The place are you? How chilly is it? All of these issues have an effect on the way you react, and that displays on the standard.”


One of many currencies Pike offers on this season is encyclopedias. Their inherent worth is not apparent at first.


“It is the one historical past they’ve, and something completely different is forex, proper? ‘Trigger they have been coping with the identical stuff for seven years, they usually’ve been within the Tail. All the things turns into of significance, so to have these, it turns into gold.


“Encyclopedias to broaden your thoughts, to study in regards to the world, you already know it is simply one thing completely different. Like, chocolate cake and even weed. It is not like Pike was a stoner; it is simply that it is one thing completely different.


“Do the identical factor each day for seven years; you are going to, you already know, react strongly to something completely different. Vancouver! You get six months of rain, and the primary day of solar, it is one thing completely different. You are like ‘Aaah!’ It is just like the angels sing, and also you’re only a completely different individual.”



The primary time we spoke, again in July 2020, I could not assist however be impressed by the amount of literature Ogg consumes frequently. So what’s been on his must-read checklist these days?


“This excellent ebook known as Featherhood, by Charlie Gilmour. It is a memoir of two fathers and a magpie. A Canadian ebook, really.


Hench (by Natalie Zina Walschots). It is a part of the CBC [Canada] Reads. Amanda Brugel (Snowpiercer’s Eugenia) did it final yr, and he or she was like, ‘You would be excellent for CBC Reads.’ She’s like,’ I might simply love to listen to your opinion on something.’ [laughs]


“As a result of it is not like I am outspoken; I am simply very open and sincere with feelings and emotions. So Hench is nice. I put one thing out on Instagram that if anybody’s doing this ebook, I wanna play the electrical eel character.”


“So Hench is like The Boys, after which, after all, I’ve bought Reworking Trauma, which is a ebook about trauma. It retains issues balanced.”



And whereas he admits he does not watch lots of TV, he just lately binge-watch Ted Lasso.


“I simply beloved it a lot. I cried. I laughed. It felt like a heat hug, and everybody simply does such an important job. I get all these huge worlds, and you already know, loopy factor. After I did The Quick Historical past of the Lengthy Street, I am like, I like feel-good stuff.


“Like Minari, Stephen Yeun’s Korean movie. Cherished it. I like crying, feeling good, heat hug.”


Heading into the filming of Snowpiercer Season 3, Ogg is continually contemplating how he can use his superpowers for good.


“I just like the unbiased bookstores. I at all times assist these. Purchase native. Assist native. I am an enormous fan of that. After I’m in Vancouver, I need to work with… It is robust with the COVID and all the pieces proper now, however you already know, [I’d like to] promote an indy ebook retailer, or do a podcast with an indy ebook, or an area author.



Again on Snowpiercer’s set, Ogg had already seen two scripts for the brand new season once we spoke.


“It is enjoyable. There are extra adjustments. Extra issues happenin’. It is gonna be a enjoyable trip. Once more, I’ve solely bought two proper now, however there’s some enjoyable stuff. Pike will get some various things once more, which excites me. Y’know, add one other layer.”


Pike’s pre-Snowpiercer historical past stays shrouded in thriller. We do not know what he did, who he boarded with, or even when his identify was Pike earlier than the Tail.


Maybe, he even had a canine?



Ogg’s open to exploring that historical past, perhaps as a prequel mini-series.


“Like what they did with all of the Star Wars stuff, the spinoff sequence for every character.”


With the various characters in Snowpiercer’s ensemble, we’re nonetheless ready for Pike to get his voiceover episode.


Hear that, Powers That Be? We’re. Ready.


Snowpiercer airs Monday nights 9/8c on TNT, and you’ll watch Snowpiercer on-line to catch up.

Diana Keng is a employees author for TV Fanatic. Comply with her on Twitter.



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